Badman's Tropical Fish

All-Water Boards => Other Aquatic Pets => Topic started by: Carlo on March 26, 2008, 10:02:56 PM



Title: Mystery Snail Color
Post by: Carlo on March 26, 2008, 10:02:56 PM
Perhaps a month ago, I got a clutch of mystery snails.  I took a bunch to the LFS and still have a bunch.  They are all ivory.

Are clutches always uniform in color?  Which parent determines it?  Are they the color of mom?  The three in the tank before they were born were three different colors (white, yellow, rose) so they had to have parents of two different colors.


Title: Re: Mystery Snail Color
Post by: Debra on March 27, 2008, 01:00:02 AM
My brig clutches always hatched out babies that broke the color "rule".

No one has taken the time to study snail genetics to the point of determining exactly what color the hatchlings will/should be.

A male and female Jade produced ivory, blue, gold and brown hatchlings. < That's not possible if you believe in the color "rule". Such as that happened over and over again.

Using the same female and male as breeders would produce hatchlings that were the same color/colors over and over again. Mixed up genetics.

Color is determined by both the male and female. If you continue to have one female and one male the hatchlings should consistently be the same colors that you're getting now.

If you want a different color, add a different male or female.

HTH, and made sense. :happy:


Title: Re: Mystery Snail Color
Post by: gomezaddams on March 27, 2008, 08:33:23 PM
My blues will only produce blues and my ivorys only produce ivorys.I bred my purples to purples and got ivory,blue purple and Burgundy with a few jades.At f3 of inbreeding purple x purple they produced only purples.This would suggest to me clear(ivory,blue) shells are recessive to purple.Light foot may be recessive to dark foot or it may be more complex than that.Burgundy light foots usually turn purple at adulthood.I never tried to breed the jade so I'm not sure about them.


Title: Re: Mystery Snail Color
Post by: Debra on March 28, 2008, 12:30:38 AM
Good info Gomez.

You have had the same experience as I have had with the color of hatchlings. There is a set of rules elsewhere that defines exactly what color hatchlings you will get if you have female color A and male color B, but I have found that info to be incorrect.

It is interesting to me. When I spent more time breeding and mixing up my males and females I was always excited to see what colors the hatchlings would be. If I repeatedly used the same female/male the results were always the same, but mixing males and females would create different colors.

Ivory is my favorite color for brigs. ;) Just wanted to add that. LOL


Title: Re: Mystery Snail Color
Post by: gomezaddams on March 28, 2008, 08:13:13 AM
The color chart at http://applesnail.net/  is cofusing because it doesnt use the color names most often in use.And I agree with Debra I think there is more going on than a simple dominant recessive relationship.Judging from that chart though,yellow must be absent in my current line.Other than a few jades in the first 2 generations,I havent seen any,and no brown or golden ever.


Title: Re: Mystery Snail Color
Post by: Carlo on March 28, 2008, 10:00:52 AM
Interesting that it's so ambiguous.

Mine are all Ivory.  I have one Ivory.  I had thought that she was mom.  But I have had a yellow die from getting out, and have seen no clutches since.  So I wonder if the Ivory was dad and the yellow was mom.

I have kept WAY more than I had intended.  I took everyone I found to the LFS, but BOY did I miss a bunch.  And because they're gorgeous, and look like little pearls, I went and got Tahitian Black Moon Sand to show them off, and it's lovely, but there's too many.

Thanks.