Badman's Tropical Fish

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Title: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: Zapins on May 11, 2013, 11:56:25 PM
Here are some pics from my Elassoma evergladi tank that I took tonight (these are not the fish that are dying from infection - those are the Elassoma giberti fish).

I've got about 100 babies from these guys already. The babies are about half an inch long now. Just a few more months till they are old enough to spawn.

Hope you enjoy!

These are some pictures of one of the males, he has a nest in the riccia at the top.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-XIpxvYZm4bk/UY8epbuVLhI/AAAAAAAABdg/Bah7zENxY70/w1200-h808-no/Male1.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ZgjkttsvQ8s/UY8enofohUI/AAAAAAAABdY/MLjtR0cl36E/w1200-h702-no/Male+4+low+res.jpg)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r6eEvr7qAuw/UY8enYOxB6I/AAAAAAAABdQ/FpYV7mnCB1A/w1200-h709-no/Male+2+low+res.jpg)

And one of the nice gravid females
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-JC6Ok9lYBpo/UY8elKQHLjI/AAAAAAAABdI/sct_kQndLPc/w1200-h891-no/Female+low+res.jpg)


Title: Re: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: Ruthy on May 12, 2013, 04:59:53 AM
Never seen these fish before, they look wonderful. How big are they?


Title: Re: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: Badman on May 12, 2013, 07:12:20 AM
Zapins, great pics. I am  going to add them to the species gallery (OK?), so if you have any other pics and can send them them to badman@badmanstropicalfish.com. I have no size limit on this email



Thanks


Title: Re: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: Zapins on May 12, 2013, 01:57:01 PM
Sure, I have a lot of other pics. I'll post a few more in a little while.

What is the special gallery?

Do you need the high res photos or are these ones ok?


Title: Re: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: Zapins on May 12, 2013, 03:14:40 PM
Ruthy I somehow missed your question.

They are slightly over an inch in length. They come from the everglades in the USA. They are quite rare as far as finding them for sale anywhere. Quite easy to take care of, but they do require live food. They will not eat anything that doesn't move. I hatch brine shrimp for them every day.

There are 5 pygmy sunfish species in total, some of which are extremely colorful.


Title: Re: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: Ruthy on May 12, 2013, 04:40:44 PM
They look like they are really rewarding to keep!


Title: Re: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: Badman on May 12, 2013, 07:55:31 PM
hi res are great. I will take any you have.   thanks!!! just email em to me and I can resize if needed


Title: Re: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: Badman on May 13, 2013, 09:38:24 AM
Added a page in the species gallery for the pictures and also did a little research and made a quick stat. Let me know if you agree, as nothing is better than personal experience.

http://badmanstropicalfish.com/species-gallery/misc/elassoma_evergladi.html

http://badmanstropicalfish.com/stats/misc_stats/stats_misc_elassoma_evergladi.html



Pat


Title: Re: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: Belinda on May 13, 2013, 09:29:33 PM
I have heard of these little guys several times but have never seen pics or knew of somebody who kept them .
Thank-you for the great pics.
Please feel free to fill us in on them and how they progress.


Title: Re: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: Karen on May 14, 2013, 05:28:19 AM
Belinda, you can't sneak them across the boarder!


Title: Re: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: Belinda on May 14, 2013, 08:18:41 PM
 :crying:
But they're gorgeous  ;)


Title: Re: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: Zapins on May 14, 2013, 10:16:31 PM
The page looks great!

I haven't seen them be aggressive at all.

Also, an interesting note about them from my experience. It seems they do not bother fry at all. I've seen the parents and even other unrelated fish look at a swimming fry and completely ignore it on many occasions.

I was quite surprised by it. Other than that your description of them is pretty much spot on.

I've been breeding mine in 70F water with only a bubbler, riccia and moss along with daily artremia feedings. The one concern I've had is that the fry are too small to eat artremia from day one. That is why I added the riccia. I've noticed all sorts of infusoria and paramecia live in riccia, and the babies tended to hang out in the riccia most of the time, presumably hunting for them?

They grow quite slowly from babies to adults. I've got about 100 of them which hatched around 3 months ago, they are only half an inch big now despite constant feeding and 80F water along with daily water changes in a bare bottom grow out tank. I read somewhere that they take about 250-300 days to fully mature, so they are a little slower than most cichlids I've bred.

When they grow up I'll probably post some for sale (or better yet - trade for other unusual fish!) on the forum if anyone is interested in keeping them.

Oh also, it appears that there is a pretty high degree of variability between collecting locations in terms of coloration.

Here are some pics of the babies as they grew up:

03-31-2013
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-t1PsIHeGwR4/UVfVdK750BI/AAAAAAAABWI/G0ToKhEtHFw/s1197/Pygmy.jpg)

03-17-2013
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-XzQpfpbJSRI/UUVnfH6xq8I/AAAAAAAABVA/-muZjHBjICY/s1200/Fish.jpg)

02-25-2013
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-OwWjbROSOjM/USsfNfYQjvI/AAAAAAAABS4/KUiKp1hNmcU/s741/Baby.jpg)

02-19-2013
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-99othwm8LmA/USQuJwqYLoI/AAAAAAAABRQ/-0n7RTC_aoA/s816/Pygmy+sunfish+baby.jpg)

Also if you want to see some videos and pictures of a closely related species (Elassoma gilberti) embryo as it developes I've posted them in my other thread at the bottom of the page:

http://www.badmanstropicalfish.com/forum/index.php?topic=33593.0

Just be sure to watch the videos on HD and full screen if you want to see the blood being circulated in its body!


Title: Re: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: Zapins on May 14, 2013, 10:39:30 PM
5-14-2013
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8sQFJgv0HPU/UZMDIxewNlI/AAAAAAAABfg/B1E-yoaE2Z4/w1200-h682-no/Pygmy+5-14-13+low+res.jpg)


Title: Re: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: Belinda on May 15, 2013, 09:44:25 PM
Those are great pics!!!!
thanks!!
I love the full little bellies.
To me watching and getting young fry through the first three months is one of the most rewarding aspects of this hobby!
Congrats!!



Title: Re: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: Muffuletta on May 15, 2013, 10:42:59 PM
Then get some least killifish Beli.  You can be rewarded every day.


Title: Re: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: superpap56 on May 16, 2013, 12:09:59 AM
very very nice-- i love them and the pics


Title: Re: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: ivan on June 10, 2017, 10:24:24 AM
Do you still happen to keep these guys? Would love to buy or trade with you :)


Title: Re: Pygmy Sunfish Photos
Post by: Zapins on June 10, 2017, 05:31:51 PM
Unfortunately I don't keep them anymore. I sold them all to a local hobbyist a fee years ago.

I was thinking of driving down to FL and collecting some, but I'm not sure if I will do that or not since I have a lot of other stuff going on for the next few weeks.

I originally bought these fish from aquabid.com they sell them there regularly so I think you should try looking for them there.