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Title: African butterfly?
Post by: Crimmycakes on October 19, 2013, 06:06:50 PM
Hi there!
I'm new to the forums but not new to fish keeping!

I was just wondering (since you seem more knowledgeable)...

I have been interested in buying an African butterfly fish. I'm English so I can only tell you my tank is 200 letres. I have 2 honey gourami, 2 dwarf gourami and 6 females and two common plecos in this well weathered tank. It's had a set up life of around 2 years with minimal problems. It's well planted and I'm interested in getting a butterfly. I'm willing to put floating plants in it, but I fear of adding new fish with gouramis as I love them and would hate for them to become compromised if I added anything that wasn't compatable with them.

I do have other tanks but one is a betta set up and the other has only been set up for a month or so.

Also, do the African butterfly fish need moving into a holding tank during the partial water changes? For fear of them jumping out?

Thanks for your time, if I've missed any info you need let me know!


Crimmy cakes

Title: Re: African butterfly?
Post by: Pat Mary on October 19, 2013, 06:42:31 PM
Hi, Crimmycakes, and welcome to Badman's.

I had to look up the African Butterfly.  Here is an article about them.

They seem to be a very interesting fish that can be kept in a community tank.  Your tank is about 52 gallons so it is a nice size for a community.  The only thing that I wonder about is the gouramis breeding.  Do you breed them?  Both of the species that you have create bubble nests and I would think that the butterfly would wreck havoc with that.  But, If you are not breeding the gouramis, you could try it and see how it goes.  Just be sure to have a back up plan in case it doesn't work out.

 I am sure that you won't keep the plecos for much longer because they get to be 18 to 24 inches.  Much too large for your size tank. 

Title: Re: African butterfly?
Post by: Crimmycakes on October 20, 2013, 04:24:12 AM
Ahh, that would be nice, I have another aquarium set up, but I'm not putting fish in it yet, it's only been set up working for a month but I could put them in there when we get them, as I won't be getting them for a few weeks yet.

I don't breed the gourami, I did breed guppies at one stage, but they were hard to keep under control when you got a few females to one male, as I didn't breed specific (one male and female) when I say I bred them, I mean they bred in the tank and blahblah haha!)

Anyway, I'm not looking to breed them, i just love their looks, if they do breed and one survives I won't be too disappointed but I'm not out there to breed them lol.

My plecos, one is about 6 inches from top to tail, the other one is 2 inches, they are recent additions to the family, one I rescued from a friends 19 letre tank.

Not ready to give them up get, when they get a bit bigger, they are comfortable at the moment. Mr pleco and Trevor. ( although  I'm sure they are both females lol )

Thank you for your advice

Title: Re: African butterfly?
Post by: Pat Mary on October 20, 2013, 09:22:29 AM
When you say that you have another tank set up, have you tried to cycle it?  If you have established a bacteria colony, how are you maintaining it until you get fish?

In case you do not understand the nitrogen cycle, I am giving you a link telling about it.  It is the most important thing in setting up a new aquarium.

Title: Re: African butterfly?
Post by: CrazyCatPeekin on October 20, 2013, 10:59:42 AM
I am not too sure about putting an African Butterfly with gourami. I suppose it can work. I keep mine in an african themed tank, so no gouramis there. :)

Things to be aware of with the butterfly prepared to offer live food. Mine eats mostly crickets, dubia roaches and feeder endlers. I can get him to eat freeze dried shrimp if I make a big enough splash throwing it into the tank. (Note that the feeder fish are home bred; I don't trust feeders at the pet stores as they tend to be unhealthy and carry parasites.) Some butterfly fish will eat floating pellets, but I haven't had any luck getting mine to do so. Also, they are slower, more deliberate hunters. So if you have faster, feeding frenzy-type fish in the tank (like my congo tetras) then you have to make sure your butterfly is getting food. I usually feed mine before the lights go on as I find that the congo tetras don't seem to notice the bugs in the water when it is dark or maybe they just don't care.

As far as jumping while cleaning, I have not ever had that problem. But, mine is in a 55 gallon tank with two lids. So, I clean the opposite side from wherever he is hanging out first and then the water level is lower on his side when I get started.

Title: Re: African butterfly?
Post by: Crimmycakes on October 21, 2013, 04:18:28 AM
When I say it's set up with no fish, it is cycling with some filter media from my other tank and with plants in it, I won't put fish in hue here're for 6 weeks usually to ensure safe water testing concurrently 4 weeks in a row after testing at week 3.

As for the butterfly fish, I'm just worried he might jump out when I'm cleaning as I don't have the luxury of a two part lid, it would need the entire lid coming off to clean it.

I thinking of making the second one African themed as I have plants that come from Africa in the tank as advised by my local specialist shop after looking into the care if a butterfly fish.

They said they can go with most peaceful mid and bottom dweller tank mates, but if I was to keep to the African theme and wait to put them into the new tank and use that, what other tank mates do you recommend and could I just keep two butterfly's, or do they prefer it in a group as advised by the specialist shop owner?

Title: Re: African butterfly?
Post by: Pat Mary on October 21, 2013, 09:45:50 AM
The bacteria colony needs ammonia as food.  Are you using pure ammonia for that?  If not, what is your source of ammonia?