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Title: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: shopiwl on August 29, 2016, 08:30:15 AM
Can clown loach be kept with cichlids


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: Pat Mary on August 29, 2016, 09:46:41 AM
What  species of cichlid?  How many clown loaches are you planning to keep in what size aquarium?


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: shopiwl on August 29, 2016, 10:17:07 AM
Mbuna. 125 gal. Just wanted one or two but if they need to be in a school I'll past. Just wasted something for bottom feeder and liked there color.


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: Pat Mary on August 29, 2016, 11:41:41 AM
Clown Loaches are definitely schooling fish so need to be in a group.  Here is an article on reasons why they should not be kept with Mbuna:

http://www.loaches.com/articles/why-loaches-should-not-be-kept-with-malawi-cichlids


It is good that you are researching before you get the fish.  :happy:


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: shopiwl on August 30, 2016, 04:12:33 AM
what ground feeder would be good for what I have. I have 10 cichlids now is that about what a 125 gal tank would hold. I'm new cichlids as u can see. what is a good food for them. I am using a small pellet food now. only store close to me is petsmart so i dint have much.


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: Pat Mary on August 30, 2016, 09:30:58 AM
My understanding is that most Mbuna are herbivores (but not all) so need a veggie based diet.  I feel like I am pulling teeth here but,, which Mbunas do you have?  Had you read anything about these cichlids before jumping in with 10 of them?  I do know that it is not good to overfeed them.  If you are looking for a bottom feeder to control the food, then you are feeding too much. 


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: shopiwl on August 30, 2016, 10:36:28 AM
I don't feed them that much. The pellets never hit the ground. I mentioned bottom feeder because I think they are cool looking. No I didn't do research on each one. We bought them at aquarium Adventures in Bolingbrook. They told us which ones would be good together so hope we didn't make a mistake. We also feed them beef heart every few days


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: Pat Mary on August 30, 2016, 10:52:52 AM
My understanding is that most Mbuna are herbivores (but not all) so need a veggie based diet.

The first thing that you would need to do is to determine which species you have.  This link will give you a start:     http://www.badmanstropicalfish.com/profile.html

If you can't find your fish on that link, google Mbuna cichlids to find yours.  Then look to see what they should eat.  I think that beef heart every few days will really harm them.


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: shopiwl on August 30, 2016, 10:57:14 AM
Ok thank you. I will check that out.


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: russ on August 30, 2016, 09:49:21 PM
.....Or, you can post some pics and members can figure out what they might be. (Unless they had them labeled African assorted or assorted Mbuna cichlids) If they were labeled that way, there might be no way to determine what species mix they might be.


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: TwoTankAmin on August 31, 2016, 10:06:19 AM
Just a confirmation re beef heart. Dr. Stephan Tanner does presentations at events and last March I attended one he did on Pleco of the Rio Xingu (I keep and breed a few such species). As part of his presentation he dealt with fish and diet. One thing he stressed, and which I have always believed, was not to feed beef heart to any fish. Not all concur with this opinion.

However, vegetarian fish should rarely be fed meaty foods and never as often as you are doing. I suggest you research Malawi Bloat. I will start you off with the following information from cichlid-forum.com:

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Three Main Causes For Bloat

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3.) Improper diet. Many cichlids - particularly herbivorous ones - have long intestinal tracts, requiring a relativley longer period of time to digest their food. Consequently, it is quite common for these cichlids to develop intestinal problems. The decomposition of improperly digested, or improperly excreted foods can irritate the intestinal wall, and stress the fish, giving the invasive parasite a foothold. This can often come about when a primarily herbivorous, algae-scraping cichlid (like Tropheus or Pseudotropheus spp.) is fed high protein foods such as bloodworms, or pellet and flake foods containing large quantities of fish meal. Slimy or soft foods, such as brine shrimp, should be avoided and replaced with crunchier foods such as mysis. In light of this information, and experience, it is important to avoid certain foods, and to go light on others. (For a detailed discussion of this topic, see Feeding African Cichlids.)
from http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/malawi_bloat.php (http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/malawi_bloat.php)

The Feeding African Cichlids info mentioned above states:

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Many Cichlid foods are good and appropriate for all cichlids, be they carnivorous or herbivorous. What you want to watch out for are foods high in fat. You especially want to avoid anything that has beef heart or products from other warm-blooded animals
from http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/feeding_african_cichlids.php (http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/feeding_african_cichlids.php)


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: janetfdoss on October 15, 2016, 01:51:53 AM
Can clown loach be kept with cichlids

What does that means?


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: russ on October 15, 2016, 03:58:40 PM
Can clown loach be kept with cichlids

What does that means?

It means he is asking a question. Can 'that' certain species of fish be kept with a certain family of other fish.  ;)


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: gunnered72 on October 16, 2016, 12:06:09 AM
I woudnt personally keep anything with Malawi Cichlids except Malawi Cichlids....I think they would just destroy Clown Loaches to be honest....Clown Loaches are timid peaceful fish where as Malawis are territorial aggressive fish...


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: TwoTankAmin on October 17, 2016, 04:06:40 PM
Just to correct the idea that clowns cannot defend themselves and do so quite viciously, these fish carry two switchblades. They are called sub0ocular spines. These are normally retracted until its time to fight an attacker.

Here is a link to a picture from loaches.com of one with these out http://www.loaches.com/species-index/photos/c/chromobotia_macracanthus_02.jpg/image_medium


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: Goose on February 05, 2019, 06:43:49 PM
Hello, I'm new here and love loaches & cichlids and I'm going to interject my first post here!
I had Breeding pairs of Demasoni & Mbuna, 6 Clown loaches, giant Danios, a 10" catfish and a common pleco in a tank together for years with no problems. Just get approximately equal sized fish and at least 4 clowns with plenty of caves for the Cichlids and they should be fine.


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: TwoTankAmin on March 15, 2019, 11:13:32 AM
I cannot remain silent in light of the above post. It is not good to do the sort of stocking posted above. Clearly the poster did not read the link as to why the proper water parameters the fish mentioned are very different. To say the fish are fine is simply not true.

Think of it this way, You live in a pristine environment in the country. You are now forced to move to Bejing China for you work. The air plolution there is awful and over time will harm you the longer you stay. But while you are there you eat, sleep. work and socialize. But the fact is you are not doing fine, you are slowly being poisoned. The longer you stay, the shorter your lifespan is likely to be, You develop a cough, sometimes your eyes burn, but you are still alive and look OK, until you don't.

This is how the loaches with cichlids article ends:
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One last thought. As mentioned earlier, the fish concerned have evolved over thousands of years to adapt to certain set of conditions. A handful of generations of breeding is not going to change thousands of years of evolution. You may see/hear of fish temporarily surviving in 'compromised' conditions, but their long-term health is likely to suffer. Mankind should not force fish to adapt to what we want, and keeping fish in such an unsuitable environment does not make anyone a better fishkeeper for ‘getting away with it’. The aquariums that we keep them in should first and foremostly be tailored to the fishes needs, not ours.


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: russ on March 18, 2019, 06:50:44 PM
Not to mention that Clown Loaches can achieve lengths of 12 inches in the aquarium, providing their requisites are met. Requisites that are not not even close to optimum housed with Rift lake Cichlids.


Title: Re: Clown loach with cichlids
Post by: TwoTankAmin on April 04, 2019, 12:18:06 PM
Actually, clowns will get over 12 inches in tanks, at least in terms of TL. I am not sure in terms of SL. Here is one of the best pieces i have read on Clowns- it is comprehensive and you will learn a lot more about these great fish than you dreamed would be possible:
https://www.seriouslyfish.com/species/chromobotia-macracanthus/ (https://www.seriouslyfish.com/species/chromobotia-macracanthus/)