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All-Water Boards => Cichlid Corner => Topic started by: Maggie on November 28, 2016, 06:17:21 PM



Title: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: Maggie on November 28, 2016, 06:17:21 PM
I would like to keep a pair of keyhole cichlid,my tank is 50L x50W x 40Hcm,they would be the only fish in there. Is this too small or should i go with my original intention of having shellies.
This is my first step into cichlids.


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: BallAquatics on November 28, 2016, 10:21:56 PM
I've kept pairs in tanks as small as 15 US gallons with great success (24.3" x 12.5" x 12.8").  They are a fantastic starter cichlid.

Dennis


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: Maggie on November 29, 2016, 12:05:56 AM
Thank you Dennis,they are difficult to sex aren't they, how would you suggest I go about it?


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: TwoTankAmin on November 29, 2016, 09:43:21 AM
Since I have not personally kept these fish, I cannot comment based on experience. However, one of the sites I rely on for decent information on species suggests a larger tank is in order. They suggest a 91 cm tank. Have a look here and see what you think http://www.seriouslyfish.com/species/cleithracara-maronii/ (http://www.seriouslyfish.com/species/cleithracara-maronii/) On the other hand, another site which I hold in equally high regard suggests a 61 cm tank is the minimum. You can read their thoughts here http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Cleithracara%20_maronii.html (http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Cleithracara%20_maronii.html)

As a rule of thumb, when it comes to selecting tank size, bigger is usually better. Many years ago I investigated this fish as a centerpiece pair in a planted community tank. I went with angels instead because I wanted something I knew would eat swordtail fry. I should also mention that I have a long history of over stocking and using tanks on the small side for what they contain. This has made life more difficult in terms of keeping such tanks in balance and healthy. They are less forgiving.

"SEX: Males are larger and his anal and dorsal fins are elongated."

"Juveniles are impossible to sex accurately by external means but adult males grow considerably larger than females and develop extended dorsal and anal fins."



Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: Maggie on November 29, 2016, 09:57:50 AM
Thank you for that information, I shall go and have a good read


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: Maggie on November 29, 2016, 02:04:53 PM
I think I may have spent too long reading,I'm now completely addled. Opinions on wether my tank is big enough seem divided and the fishes welfare comes first.
What do people think of a pair of golden dwarf cichlid?


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: gunnered72 on November 29, 2016, 02:20:50 PM
Your tank is fine for a pair of Keyholes in my opinion...


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: Maggie on November 29, 2016, 02:28:59 PM
Thank you x


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: BallAquatics on November 30, 2016, 08:00:44 AM
Thank you Dennis,they are difficult to sex aren't they, how would you suggest I go about it?

If purchasing young fish, the tried and true method is to get six fish.  With 6 you get nearly 100% chance of having at least 1 pair.  If dealing with older individuals, the males are larger and have pointer ends on their fins.  It can be a crap shoot.....

Your tank specs out at 100 liters or 26.43 US gallons, plenty big enough for a breeding pair of these fish in my opinion.

Best of luck with whatever you decide to work with!   ;)

Dennis


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: russ on November 30, 2016, 08:34:13 AM
Hi Maggie,

When you stated that you would like to get a "pair" of Keyhole Cichlids, did you mean two male or two female Keyholes, or a male and a female? Depending on your initial intentions, all the advice and information above is kind of hanging in the balance.


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: Maggie on November 30, 2016, 09:00:19 AM
Hi Russ,I was going to have a m and f but I've been thinking about the fry! I may have to rethink the whole thing. I want to have an interesting species tank (and I was thinking of a 'starter' cichlid but that's not set in stone). As I said the welfare of the fish is most important. I would be very grateful for any of your thoughts or suggestions.
Cheers,Maggie


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: russ on November 30, 2016, 11:16:12 PM
I think your alternate choice of an pair of Nannacara anamala sounds great! What type of water conditions do you have available?


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: Maggie on December 01, 2016, 04:58:12 AM
Thank you Russ, my tank is cycling at the moment, I am going to tailor my water parameters to suit the fish so I shall research these but your suggestions please. Is my tank sufficiently big enough to prevent her trying to kill him if they spawn?
It's all very exciting.


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: russ on December 01, 2016, 08:31:29 AM
I believe it is. Live plants will also help, with a couple of hard structure pieces, like driftwood. My recommendation for plants would be low-growing grassy plants with a couple of taller ones for back corners.  :happy:


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: Maggie on December 01, 2016, 05:42:27 PM
Great stuff and finally a decision made although shellies are still calling - I shall just have to get another tank.
I have ordered some bogwood, two terracotta retreats and lots of plants.
many thanks for all your advice


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: russ on December 01, 2016, 05:52:29 PM
Shellies are great little critters, but they have almost the exact opposite for their water conditions compared to the Nannacaras.


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: Maggie on December 01, 2016, 05:56:31 PM
The shellies can wait
I'm thinking of changing the bogwood for mopani as I now read that bogwood can colour the water for a long time even with carbon in the filter and effects the ph


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: TwoTankAmin on December 02, 2016, 04:58:36 PM
Mopani will also discolor the water. The main difference between bogwood and mopani is a question of how hard or soft the actual wood is. Bog is a soft wood and mopani is a harder wood. I use a lot of wood in my tanks which includes manzanita as well the other two.  :happy:


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: Maggie on December 02, 2016, 05:05:22 PM
Thank you, hours more reading and I've ordered a piece of manzanita!


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: russ on December 02, 2016, 06:41:02 PM
We can't wait to see your aquarium after your set up.   :happy:


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: Maggie on December 02, 2016, 07:19:39 PM
Thank you for all your help Russ, I'm quite sure I shall have more questions for you x


Title: Re: Keyhole Cichlid
Post by: gunnered72 on December 03, 2016, 11:15:08 PM
Red Moor Vinewood/Rootwood.....