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big john

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« on: October 25, 2009, 08:49:17 AM »

hi guys... Can I have some advice on my lighting for my 20g tank based from your experiences or from your knowledge in planted tank?
I have this 20g high community tank with a standard house lighting of 40w and a DIY CO2 (yeast and sugar). I only use river sand and a clay for my substrate. I also use a tablet fertilizer from Sera. Most of my plants require moderate lighting.

My question is that do I need to purchase those expensive plant lighting or is a standard house lighting will do fine for my set up? Is their any big difference?
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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2009, 09:36:35 AM »

big john,

CO2 is usually used for setups with 3wpg (watts per gallon) or more.  Your set up is actualy right at 2 wpg; I'm surprised that the added CO2 hasn't given you an algae problem.  Below 2 wpg is considered low light, above is considered medium light.

Your current set up should be fine for all low light plants and some mediums.
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big john

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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2009, 10:05:02 AM »

thanks maura...

i installed my co2 just 2 days ago... yeah your absolutely right i spotted already signs of algae started to grow. so you mean to say that i don't need the co2?
about my lighting by the way, based on your experience, is using an ordinary standard house lighting will do fine in a planted tank? or do i need to by those expensive lighting for a planted tank?
 
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2009, 10:14:54 AM »

John,

I'm not really a planted tank expert, just a hobbyist with a lot of planted tanks, but yes, I think the CO2 is a mistake unless you *want* to go high light. My understanding is that the CO2 requires higher lighting to keep the available nutrients in balance, CO2 with lower light is a recipe for algae.   4 of my tanks run with the standard lighting that came with the stock hood.  Some use the "plant spectrum" bulb, which is a cheap easy upgrade.  Two of my tanks are medium light with compact flourescents, I get better growth and can grow a wider variety of plants, but they're more expensive to run because I have to add more fertilizers. 

What kinds of plants are you trying to grow?
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big john

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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2009, 10:29:36 AM »

i'm not really familliar of the names... but what i remembered is wisteria's, sunset, cabomba, some sword plants, java moss and i forgot the others.  what my lfs said is that these plants require moderate lighting and is fine in my 40w lighting...

anyway maura thanks for your input... i just turned off my co2 to prevent the algae getting worst...

thanks a lot for your time... really appreciate it...
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2009, 12:31:43 PM »

John, may I ask what you mean by standard house lighting? What sort of fixture do you have on the tank?

The stock lighting on a 24" flourescent strip fixture ( for a 20 gallon high) is usually 15 watts. A double strip 24" flourescent will give you 30 watts.

If you're using incandescent light, you can expect difficulties as the light spectrum is different and not as favorable to plants like with flourescent.

30 watts of flourescent lighting on that size tank and low level CO2 addition is good despite the fact that it's 1.5wpg. I use those small yeast reactors made by Nutra something or other ( will try to find name, lol ).  

The problem with our wpg calculations is that it is very rough. 1.5 wpg is considered low light, however, the height of the tank, the distance of the plants from the light is not taken into account in that calculation and it is a very meaningful factor. So 1.5 wpg on a 20 gallon high is very different from 1.5wpg on a 55 gallon, or a 20 gallon long. In my experience with the 20 high I mentioned, at 30wpg (of flourescent light) it can be considered a medium light tank. I still wouldn't inject high amounts of CO2, get the little reactors that are meant for that size of tank.
You will get fast growth and it will out compete the algae, be prepared to have to prune hard though. Smiley It will turn into a jungle.

The swords are usually too large for a 20 high. They require deep substrate for their large root systems. You will probably end up having to remove them.



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big john

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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2009, 11:17:32 AM »

thanks kim for sharing your experiences...
what I mean to a standard lighting is a 24" tube and its rated 20w with 6200K.
 
I just recently modify my setup. I change 1 of my lighting to a plant spectrum tube and the other is still the same 20w I used before. with the DIY CO2, your absolutely right I have tremendous growth after 2 days of adding the plant tube w/ the CO2. the plants responded to the new lighting. I trimmed almost every 4 days especially the cabomba. The problem is that hair algae grows really fast also (but still managable) very annoying to look, their every where on the leaves and glasses. I just bought yesterday a 2 SAE's and 3 cherry shrimp to control the algae, but unfortunately the cherry shrimps got sucked up by my filter (poor little guys) Sad Sad Sad
A while ago add again 3 ghost shrimps (a little bigger so not to be sucked again). hope they can control the algae.
I agree to you about the wpg calculation Kim...
so far, I'm satisfied by the plants growth for now...

thanks again...
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