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[20:02 17/09/2004] <@craig> Good evening everyone, welcome to Live! Fishchat!
[20:02 17/09/2004] <@craig> Tonight I am very proud to have as our guest speaker, Greg Morin, President and CEO of Seachem.
[20:02 17/09/2004] <@craig> Greg, please begin when you are ready.
[20:03 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Hello everyone, thank you for the invitation. Since my understanding was this forum is mainly freshwater planted focused my short presentation will cover that area.
[20:04 17/09/2004] <+seachem> The sheer number of factors involved in plant growth and health may seem daunting at first. However, if we broadly classify these factors into three categories that include substrates, pH/Hardness, and supplements, the task of deciding what is necessary becomes more manageable. Each category builds upon the one before, using the groundwork previously laid to ensure a flourishing environment at every stage.
[20:05 17/09/2004] <+seachem> This process can be more easily conceptualized as a three tiered pyramid. Each tier of this pyramid represents a set of products, and as one moves up the pyramid, the ability to control aquarium conditions increases as does the level of success. The base of the pyramid represents, quite appropriately, the bed of the aquarium (the gravel or substrate). The right substrate is an essential foundation for any aquarium and a critical one.
[20:05 17/09/2004] <+seachem> A gravel that supplies a broad range of important micro nutrients that are integral to the composition of the gravel will ensure a successful aquarium even if minimal to no other products are employed. With quality gravel, one could actually just add a few fish and a have successful planted aquarium. It is not likely to win any awards, but the overall simplicity of maintenance will appeal to the beginning hobbyist.
[20:08 17/09/2004] <+seachem> The third tier represents supplementation. Supplementation encompasses macronutirents (nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, carbon) as well as organic nutrients (vitamins, amino acids, carbon, etc.), micronutrients (calcium,magnesium, sulfur, iron, etc.) and select trace elements (manganese, nickel, cobalt, etc).
[20:09 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Within this category there is also a hierarchy of parameters that addresses progressively more specific and advanced requirements. For example, one may choose the easiest approach and simply dose with a comprehensive plant supplement which provides a broad range of micronutrients and micro and trace elements that will enhance plant health and growth.
[20:11 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Others may desire to achieve ever greater results by tweaking the concentration of specific elements such as iron, potassium, phosphorus, nitrogen, and carbon. The role played by these elements is varied. Nitrogen is a component of proteins and nucleic acids, phosphorus is a component of ATP, NADP, nucleic acids and membrane phospholipids and potassium is an enzyme activator and is involved in charge balance. Carbon is the backbone of all li
[20:12 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Iron is necessary for the formation of chlorophyll and is involved in enzymatic electron transport and other oxidationreduction processes. Because plant nutrient requirements, usage rates and source water can vary drastically we have determined that the ideal approach to supplementation is to separate each component so that each can be dosed individually as needed.
[20:13 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Ok, hopefully I have not bored all to tears yet ;-) That's about it. Does anyone have any questions (either on material presented or other Seachem related question?
[20:13 17/09/2004] <@craig> Thank you Greg. :-D
[20:13 17/09/2004] <@craig> If you have a question, please type: /query craig I have a question
[20:14 17/09/2004] <@craig> I will then give you voice in the channel.
[20:15 17/09/2004] <@craig> Don't be shy folks, he won't bite and neither do I.
[20:16 17/09/2004] <@craig> Go Keith. :-)
[20:16 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Don't worry, no question is a bad question, I'm ready ;-)
[20:17 17/09/2004] <+KeithW> Thanks Greg, it got intense near the end. Assuming what I see on the bottles are date codes, how do I read them? How long are the products good for?
[20:17 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Are these the 5 digit numbers or the alphanumeric codes?
[20:18 17/09/2004] <+seachem> The 5 digit codes are lot numbers
[20:18 17/09/2004] <+seachem> The alphanumeric are label revisions and so can really get an idea of age from those.
[20:19 17/09/2004] <+KeithW> On the bottom I have 20-54
[20:19 17/09/2004] <+KeithW> Its Plant Supplement.
[20:19 17/09/2004] <+KeithW> Below the title is 0.04-0.01-0.37
[20:19 17/09/2004] <+seachem> All of the products are formulated to have a shelf life of several years and some forever (i.e. Flourite, Equilibrium, all buffers)
[20:20 17/09/2004] <+seachem> That's the NPK number, state ag. agencies make us put that on there.
[20:20 17/09/2004] <+seachem> I'm not sure what that 20-54 is, is it printed? or embosed in the bottle?
[20:20 17/09/2004] <+KeithW> How do I know if my product isn't too old to use?
[20:20 17/09/2004] <+KeithW> sorry.
[20:21 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Which product?
[20:21 17/09/2004] <+KeithW> The plant supp has 20-54 embossed on the bottom. The iron sup, has 20-57 embossed on the bottom.
[20:22 17/09/2004] <+seachem> That's a code from the bottle manufacturer ;-)
[20:23 17/09/2004] <@craig> Keith can we come back to this in the open portion so that others can get a question in?
[20:23 17/09/2004] <+KeithW> Sure, I'm sorry. Didn't know...
[20:24 17/09/2004] <@craig> Nothing to be sorry about, just want to make sure everyone gets a turn. ;-)
[20:24 17/09/2004] <@craig> Adam. :-)
[20:24 17/09/2004] <+Milk> Hello good sir!
[20:24 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Hello!
[20:24 17/09/2004] <+Milk> I'm sorry I missed the actual chat, but they caught me up.. anyway quick question
[20:25 17/09/2004] <+Milk> I use both flourish and flourish iron (and am very happy) but I noticed last week that the flourish needs to be refrigerated.. was curious as to why
[20:26 17/09/2004] <+seachem> We put that on there as a precaution as in some very rare scenarios there could be mold growth when left unrefrigerated. However 99% of the time is not necessary
[20:26 17/09/2004] <+Milk> exelecent
[20:26 17/09/2004] <+seachem> If there ever is mold it can be easily removed and as long as the product still smells "normal" it is fine to keep using
[20:26 17/09/2004] <@craig> Heather. :-)
[20:27 17/09/2004] <+Heather> seachem makes the onyx substrate?
[20:27 17/09/2004] <+seachem> yes.
[20:27 17/09/2004] <+Heather> what is the difference between onyx and flourite? I use flourite red and have been very pleased with the results but would like to try the onyx for something also
[20:29 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Onyx is rich in carbonates as well as magnesium, calcium and iron, thus it can have an impact on pH in a weekly buffered aquarium
[20:29 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Because many plants can use carbonates directly this is often a key advantage to Onyx over the Flourites
[20:29 17/09/2004] <+Heather> is it as powdery as flourite? So it is not a clay type substrate? I would maybe try it in a marine tank someday :)
[20:30 17/09/2004] <+seachem> The Flourites are more "inert" and do not affect the GH and KH, however plants can still extract the iron from Flourite/Flourite Red quite well. If you prefer a more acidic environment, then the Flourites would be more suited.
[20:31 17/09/2004] <@craig> Geoff.
[20:31 17/09/2004] <+Noname> Hello there. Many products for aquatic plants have the reputation for being harmful to aquatic invertibrates. I was wondering if this becomes a factor when deciding what, and what concentration of certain chemicals are added to the products. Nice presentation by the way.
[20:32 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Onxy Sand is the least dusty of the three, Flourite Red is probably the most dusty. Onyx is not a clay substrate. It would be very well suited to a marine tank also.
[20:32 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Hello Geoff
[20:33 17/09/2004] <+seachem> We've never had any issues with invertebrates and our plant products. Is there a particular product you've heard this about or a particular component.
[20:34 17/09/2004] <+Noname> Not a particular product, it may just be internet lore,
[20:34 17/09/2004] <+Noname> Iron was the main part of it I believe
[20:35 17/09/2004] <+Noname> thank you. :)
[20:35 17/09/2004] <+seachem> I could see that, but the concentrations we recommend for usage should never be an issue... now if one massively overdosed that would be different ;-)
[20:35 17/09/2004] <@craig> Christine. :-)
[20:35 17/09/2004] <+Christine> Hi Greg. This could be a "bad" question or at least an unanswerable one, but I was wondering if these products may show up in Saskatchwan, Canada's LFSs in the near future? I have to pay an arm and a leg getting it to me through online sources.
[20:37 17/09/2004] <+seachem> I'll see what I can do ;-) let me jot that down and I'll speak to our sales rep for that territory
[20:37 17/09/2004] <@craig> Shay, yer up.
[20:37 17/09/2004] <+Shay> Hello
[20:38 17/09/2004] <+Shay> Does the flourite compact over time? If so, how can this be avoided?
[20:38 17/09/2004] <+seachem> No, it will not compact.
[20:39 17/09/2004] <@craig> Heather. :-)
[20:40 17/09/2004] <+Heather> what is the excel product and is is a substitute for co2? Can it be harmful if overdosed?
[20:40 17/09/2004] <@craig> After Heather is done, I'll be opening the floor for general discussion.
[20:42 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Excel is both a substitute and complement to CO2. It can take the place of CO2 in terms of providing a source of organic carbon for the plants to use as structural building blocks, but if one is using CO2 you can still use Excel and see a benefit. As with anything, it can be harmful if overdosed, however there is normally no harm to plants even when overdosed but fish can be more sensitive to it, which is why we have such strong warnings aga
[20:43 17/09/2004] <+Heather> thank you Greg
[20:43 17/09/2004] <+seachem> you're welcome ;-)
[20:44 17/09/2004] <@craig> Greg, again, thank you for taking some of your valuable time to join us this evening. I can not begin to express my gratitude.
[20:44 17/09/2004] <@craig> The floor is now open.
[20:45 17/09/2004] <+seachem> You're welcome, thank you for the invitation.
[20:45 17/09/2004] <@JP> Great presentation, Greg. Thanks for coming. :-)
[20:45 17/09/2004] <Heather> that was great, can't thank you enough, I learned so much
[20:45 17/09/2004] <Noname> ^_^
[20:45 17/09/2004] <megan> Thanks so much, Greg. :)
[20:45 17/09/2004] <KeithW> Yes, thank you.
[20:45 17/09/2004] <Shay> Thank you, Greg
[20:46 17/09/2004] <Christine> would the using the Excel as a substitution for C02 (as opposed to a supplement), be beneficial long term, or more of an algae headache?
[20:46 17/09/2004] <@craig> Greg, this is the part where we kind of brainstorm, when you need to go, please let us know.
[20:46 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Excel will in no way contribute to algae.
[20:47 17/09/2004] <KeithW> Greg, can I cross ref the 5 digit code (lot number?) to an actaul date?
[20:47 17/09/2004] <Christine> really? Well, there's something else for me to try
[20:48 17/09/2004] <+seachem> you can if you e-mail it in, our support staff will be happy to look up the prodction date
[20:48 17/09/2004] <+seachem> sorry, to support@seachem.com
[20:48 17/09/2004] <Shay> What is the benefit in using exel as a supplement to co2 if your co2 levels are at the correct level?
[20:48 17/09/2004] <KeithW> ok, thanks. Just curiuos.
[20:49 17/09/2004] <Heather> I'd like to add that I'm really having good results with your reef complete product :)
[20:49 17/09/2004] <@craig> Keith, not sure if it can or will help you, but I have a bottle of flourish that is a bit over 2 years old. It still smells like day one and works the same.
[20:49 17/09/2004] <Shay> Still smells like Soy :}
[20:50 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Because Excel is a structural intermediary in the carbon chain production it can be utilized as well... so it's like squeezing in more CO2 than possible (i.e. if you added more it would drop your pH, but with Excel you can that extra amount and it won't affect pH)
[20:50 17/09/2004] <Shay> Oops, sorry meant to be a smiley
[20:51 17/09/2004] <+seachem> I was wondering what devil face meant ;-)
[20:51 17/09/2004] <KeithW> thanks Craig.
[20:51 17/09/2004] <Shay> lol
[20:52 17/09/2004] <Shay> Thanks for the explanation. I will give it a try.
[20:53 17/09/2004] <@craig> I know there have to be a few more little questions out there.
[20:53 17/09/2004] <sully> Greg, sorry i missed so much of the presentation. so many of us here are beginners at planted tanks. if you had five things you could tell a novice about setting up to yield the best results what would they be?
[20:53 17/09/2004] <+seachem> 1. Start with a good substrate
[20:54 17/09/2004] <+seachem> 1a (i.e. Flourite, Onyx ;-)
[20:54 17/09/2004] <sully> lol
[20:54 17/09/2004] <Noname> go shameless plugs :D
[20:54 17/09/2004] <+seachem> 2. Set your base parameters first (pH, GH, KH)
[20:54 17/09/2004] <+seachem> 2a (Equilibrium, Alkaline Buffer, Acid Buffer ;-)
[20:55 17/09/2004] <sully> are there generalized "ideal" bases. numerically?
[20:56 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Baseline numbers to target, pH 6.8-7.2, GH 1 meq (2.8 dH), KH, 1 meq 2.8 dH)
[20:57 17/09/2004] <Shay> Is 2.8 dh high enough to buffer ph?
[20:58 17/09/2004] <+seachem> 3. Lighting is important as well, but I'm not as versed in the lighting area, but I know there are many good bulbs out there on the market, just be sure the wattage is suitable for the depth
[20:58 17/09/2004] <+seachem> 4. Don't over do the lighting period as that can enhance algae growth
[20:59 17/09/2004] <+seachem> 5. Supplementation, start with the basics, broad range supplements like Flourish, Flourish Iron and/or Flourish Tabs and/or Flourish Excel.
[21:00 17/09/2004] <+seachem> 2.8 dH should be enough for a basic planted aquarium with few fish, with more fish you would need a higher KH level to offset the organic acids produced from waste/excess food.
[21:01 17/09/2004] <sully> thanks.
[21:01 17/09/2004] <sully> got the next 5?
[21:01 17/09/2004] <@craig> Not asking for much. :-D
[21:01 17/09/2004] <sully> craig--this is one of the few places i ask--too busy answering elsewhere--lol
[21:02 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Flourish Potassium, Flourish Trace, Flourish Phosphorus, Flourish Nitrogen ;-)
[21:02 17/09/2004] <@craig> I will sneak in one quick bit.. If one is supplementing CO2 (real carbon dioxide), a KH of 3-5 is preferred.
[21:02 17/09/2004] <KeithW> Just a comment. Your website is done well. Things are explained nicely for normal folks to understand. Pat on the back for your Team.
[21:02 17/09/2004] <Shay> One more question. Does rinsing flourite leach nutrients?
[21:03 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Thanks, and yes if running CO2 a higher level would be indicated.
[21:03 17/09/2004] <+seachem> No, rinsing Flourite will not leach nutrients.
[21:03 17/09/2004] <Heather> good question shay, I was told not to rinse it too much or it wouldn't work as well
[21:04 17/09/2004] <Shay> Thanks. I've always wondered if that was true.
[21:04 17/09/2004] <Heather> boy did I have a dust storm for a few hours :)
[21:04 17/09/2004] <Shay> It's an initiation ritual
[21:05 17/09/2004] <KeithW> I'm going out on the limb here because curiousity has me. How do your cycle products keep aerobic bacteria alive while being shelved. Don't those bacteria need constant oxygen?
[21:06 17/09/2004] <KeithW> and a food source...
[21:07 17/09/2004] <+seachem> The formulation allows to them to be stored in a "dormant" state, for up to 4 years. At 4 years it begins to diminish in potency but there is still bacteria that are active.
[21:08 17/09/2004] <Guest560> I'm sorry I got booted from the chat.
[21:08 17/09/2004] <+seachem> I assume you are asking about Stability (our only cycle product). It has 10 years of R&D behind to formulate the method by which to keep them dormant and stable.
[21:08 17/09/2004] <KeithW> Ok, so they are put in a "dormant" state?
[21:08 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Yes, correct.
[21:09 17/09/2004] <KeithW> cool
[21:09 17/09/2004] <russ> Is that just the nitrosamonas that is dormant?
[21:11 17/09/2004] <+seachem> There is a blend of species but the exact listing of strains is propietary, so I really can't say.
[21:11 17/09/2004] <+seachem> from our website: Stability(tm) is formulated specifically for the aquarium and contains a synergistic blend of aerobic, anaerobic, and facultative bacteria which facilitate the breakdown of waste organics, ammonia, and nitrate. Unlike competing products, the bacteria employed by Stability(tm) are non-sulfur fixing and will not produce toxic hydrogen sulfide.
[21:12 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Stability(tm) is completely harmless to all aquatic organisms as well as aquatic plants, thus there is no danger of over use. Stability(tm) is the culmination of nearly a decade of research and development and represents the current state of the art in natural biological management.
[21:12 17/09/2004] <Heather> Does seachem make an equivalent to Kent's vitamin supplements like Marine C, Zoecon, and others?
[21:12 17/09/2004] <russ> thanks Greg :-)
[21:13 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Reef Plus contains a broad assortment of vitamins and amino acids, etc for the reef aquarium.
[21:13 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Keep your eyes out for something new coming soon in that vein though (more specific to marine aquariums)
[21:14 17/09/2004] <Heather> great :)
[21:14 17/09/2004] <+seachem> The name will be "Vitality" and "Nourish" for freshwater aquariums
[21:14 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Vitality for saltwater, Nourish for frewshwater, sorry that wasn't clear above
[21:16 17/09/2004] <Heather> wonderful thank you
[21:17 17/09/2004] <KeithW> Off the wall question, is Seachem on the Nasdaq?
[21:18 17/09/2004] <Christine> Was there a link posted for the Seachem website? If so, I missed it, could it be posted again?
[21:18 17/09/2004] <@craig> http://www.seachem.com/
[21:18 17/09/2004] <Christine> ty:)
[21:18 17/09/2004] <+seachem> No, we are not on the Nasdaq ;-) We are privately held (i.e. me and 3 other owners).
[21:19 17/09/2004] <Milk> ooh ohh.. my turn
[21:19 17/09/2004] <KeithW> Any plans to go public?
[21:19 17/09/2004] <+seachem> You mean like Google ;-) Not any time soon...
[21:19 17/09/2004] <KeithW> lol
[21:20 17/09/2004] <Christine> yeah... I guess I could have searched for the site myself...
[21:21 17/09/2004] <@craig> Greg, the question has arisen about Cycle (and I promise this will be the last on the subject) is that product meant to replace the "normal" bacteria or is it merely a supplement to help kick start the nitrogen cycle?
[21:21 17/09/2004] <+seachem> We are one of the few or only independent aquarium supplies manufacturer's left... they have all been bought up by larger corporate conglomerates. We're still hobbyists ;-)
[21:22 17/09/2004] <KeithW> You guys have good stuff. I see the results with what I have used.
[21:22 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Do you mean the product Cycle (which is not ours) or did you mean our Stability product?
[21:22 17/09/2004] <sully> stability
[21:22 17/09/2004] <@craig> Grrr, Stability.. Sorry..
[21:23 17/09/2004] <@craig> I'm still coming down off the adrenaline rush I get from having a good speaker. :-D
[21:23 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Our product is for starting an aquarium and continued management of that aquarium
[21:24 17/09/2004] <@craig> Enough said then. Lets move on..
[21:24 17/09/2004] <Christine> Still wondering about Excel... would under-dosing cause any ill effects (ph swings, etc.). Because, if I did use it, under-dosing would be more economically sound for me considering the price I pay for the shipping on this product.
[21:26 17/09/2004] <+seachem> No, underdosing would not have detrimental affects. Where are you located, is it no available locally at your pet store?
[21:26 17/09/2004] <Christine> nope... Saskatoon, Saskatchwan
[21:27 17/09/2004] <Christine> I pay double the product's worth just to get it to me.
[21:27 17/09/2004] <Christine> Hi Jess:)
[21:27 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Wow! That's loyalty! Who do you buy it from on line?
[21:27 17/09/2004] <@Jessica> :-D hi
[21:28 17/09/2004] <Christine> Mail Order pet supplies (Canada)...
[21:28 17/09/2004] <Christine> If I could remember how to copy and paste in this window, I'd post the link...
[21:29 17/09/2004] <@craig> Doesn't Big Al's up there carry Seachem products?
[21:29 17/09/2004] <+seachem> yes.
[21:29 17/09/2004] <@Jessica> shift plus insert
[21:29 17/09/2004] <Christine> same price for shipping
[21:29 17/09/2004] <@Jessica> yes, craig
[21:29 17/09/2004] <Christine> Big Al's is just as expensive
[21:29 17/09/2004] <@craig> What do they do, insist on overnight?
[21:29 17/09/2004] <sully> do foster and smith ship to canada?
[21:30 17/09/2004] <Christine> not sure, hmmm
[21:30 17/09/2004] <+seachem> I think Fosters does.
[21:30 17/09/2004] <Christine> even if they did, I'd imagine about the same for shipping --- upwards towards $7.00
[21:30 17/09/2004] <@craig> Greg, just make sure its in your notes, bug your sales reps. ;-)
[21:30 17/09/2004] <@Jessica> btw, hello Greg, sorry I missed the presentation. technical difficulties
[21:30 17/09/2004] <Milk> what about petsmart?
[21:31 17/09/2004] <sully> i paid 7.00 in freight for a 375.00 order today--i avoided quick ship. no reason to be in big hurry for staples
[21:31 17/09/2004] <Christine> To get one little $1.89 package of fry bites shipped to me costs $8.00!
[21:31 17/09/2004] <+seachem> What size do you buy, or how many of those at a time? It might be of benefit to buy a larger size (2 L or 4 L) as the savings over the 100 ml or 250 mL is tremendous.
[21:31 17/09/2004] <sully> there has to be a basic shipping and handling charge--gang orders and you will save
[21:32 17/09/2004] <Christine> Yeah it would make sense to buy the 4L one... just to be clear though, I haven't tried Excel yet and of course would like to start small to see if it works for me, right?
[21:32 17/09/2004] <sully> lol--chris it will work
[21:32 17/09/2004] <Christine> oh? LOL
[21:32 17/09/2004] <@Jessica> just don't OD ;-D
[21:32 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Oh, ok I thought you were already using it. e-mail support@seachem.com and we can send you a sample.
[21:33 17/09/2004] <@craig> Just follow the directions on the bottle. It does work. :-D
[21:33 17/09/2004] <sully> not too much magic to water chemistry
[21:33 17/09/2004] <Christine> Like I said, I was worried about ill effects from underdosing!;)
[21:33 17/09/2004] <@Jessica> sweet deal greg :-D
[21:33 17/09/2004] <samantha> There is a substrate I'm looking for, Silver Shores, and I'm having a hard time finding a retailer who carries it here in Connecticut. Any ideas, or do you know how I could go about finding it?
[21:33 17/09/2004] <Christine> ohhh Very nice, thanks so much Greg!
[21:33 17/09/2004] <Christine> So, no ill effects from going on and off it then?
[21:33 17/09/2004] <KeithW> Will Excel work in large Aq's. Like my 120G.
[21:33 17/09/2004] <@craig> Christine, there will be no ill effects from underdosing, you are adding an organic compound to your tank that will be readily consumed by the plants.
[21:34 17/09/2004] <KeithW> Probably a dumb question.
[21:34 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Any of the on line resellers should carry it or if you e-mail to support@seachem.com we can look up for a store in your area (or look at our Select Dealer area on our website at www.seachem.com
[21:34 17/09/2004] <Christine> Ok, Craig... I worry too too much, you know?
[21:34 17/09/2004] <sully> yes it will work--get the dosing level figured out--ie., follow directions--and you will be fine
[21:34 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Christine: no
[21:34 17/09/2004] <samantha> thank you :)
[21:34 17/09/2004] <+seachem> keithW: yes, it will work great
[21:35 17/09/2004] <KeithW> The reason I ask is because I use Flourish and Flourish Iron. My plants went from Bright green when brought home to super dark green. I was thinking I need Co2 or Now excel, maybe?
[21:35 17/09/2004] <Shay> My eyes are closing. Thank you for the informative presentation, Greg. G'nite all.
[21:36 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Dark green is good, that's not a sign of a problem (of course Excel wouldn't hurt either ;-)
[21:36 17/09/2004] <russ> night Shay
[21:36 17/09/2004] <@craig> I was going to say, isn't dark green a sign that photosynthesis is working? :-D
[21:36 17/09/2004] <sully> keith. you don't use trace elements? lol
[21:36 17/09/2004] <Milk> I got a good one..
[21:37 17/09/2004] <Milk> what tanks, if any, do you keep at home?
[21:37 17/09/2004] <KeithW> :)
[21:38 17/09/2004] <+seachem> We have a 10 gallon planted for my son that is doing quite well. I also have a 140 gallon "turtle" tank. Unfortunately I can't keep plants in there as the turtles destroy them. I do have several planted aquariums in the office as well.
[21:38 17/09/2004] <Milk> what kind of turtles?
[21:38 17/09/2004] <Milk> thats a big turtle tank
[21:38 17/09/2004] <@craig> Lucky bamboo is the answer to the turtle problem. :-)
[21:38 17/09/2004] <KeithW> Can you visit the Seachem offices/manufacturing buildings?
[21:39 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Red bellied cooters and red eared sliders (I feed them exclusively Jurassipet ;-) btw, Jurassipet is our reptile line... if you've seen our Jurassipet ads they are the red bellied stacked up in that add)
[21:40 17/09/2004] <@Jessica> lol
[21:40 17/09/2004] <@Jessica> i used the one for hermit crabs, they liked it.
[21:40 17/09/2004] <Milk> haven't seen jurassipet adds...
[21:40 17/09/2004] <sully> who would one talk to at seachem to become an on-line retailer of product (have to sneak business in sometimes)?
[21:40 17/09/2004] <Milk> sounds kool though
[21:40 17/09/2004] <+seachem> We are currently building a new facility (110,000 sq. ft) and hope to have something set up for tours when that is complete.
[21:41 17/09/2004] <@craig> http://www.seachem.com/contact/contact.html
[21:41 17/09/2004] <sully> thanks
[21:41 17/09/2004] <@craig> Sorry, but I did my research. ;-D
[21:41 17/09/2004] <KeithW> nice. I live in md but it would be a cool road trip.
[21:42 17/09/2004] <Heather> Greg thank you for your time tonight, I appreciate it, I have to put the kiddo to bed
[21:42 17/09/2004] <KeithW> Please visit our board and let us know when you guys are up and running with tours.
[21:42 17/09/2004] <+seachem> Well, I think I'm ready to call it a night. Thanks to everyone for attending and being involved the discussions.
[21:42 17/09/2004] <sully> bye hoots
[21:42 17/09/2004] <sully> thank you greg
[21:42 17/09/2004] <Noname> bye, thank you. ^_^
[21:42 17/09/2004] <Milk> thanks for commin greg!
[21:42 17/09/2004] <KeithW> Thanks Greg!
[21:42 17/09/2004] <@craig> Greg, thank you. Its been a delight and please don't be a stranger.
[21:42 17/09/2004] <Heather> goodnight and thanks again, really enjoyed it
[21:42 17/09/2004] <megan> thanks greg :) have a nice night
[21:43 17/09/2004] <@Jessica> thank you greg :D